Galactic Civil War (Base 1.0)
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Description
"Star Wars: Galactic Civil War" is a class-based modification for "Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight".
Features include:
There are over 100 new characters from all parts of the Star Wars universe, available in 3 official Character Packs, to coincide the release of GCW, and one large Character Pack containing all the official characters. Note that at least one Character Pack must be used in conjunction with the GCW Base Patch, and the Base Patch includes a blank Character Pack, so users may play GCW using the just the original Jedi Knight characters with their respective class settings. Additional Character Packs, as well as a wealth of useful information on Galactic Civil War can be found at the official website.
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2.6 MiB
Date:
2003-03-23
Author:
Tyler "TIE" North
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3258
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I was a beta tester for this mod, It was incredible even then!
Far surpasses SBX.
10
P.S: Hes doin a SDK for the skin packs.
Scout:
- Sniper Rifle
Bounty Hunter:
- Tracking Device
- Dual DL-44s
- Any other gadgets
Dark Jedi (Since there's no real difference between it and Sith, besides the fact Sith get a lightstaff):
- Dual Sabers ;)
Yeah, just some things for you to think about.
Not only is it great for Jedi but also for other classes for MP games. Finally a class base system that doesn't just cater to jedi ranks and makes it more fun to roleplay other roles in games.
The weapons and classes seem well balanced but i still think there needs to be a bigger difference between the defensive weapon the lightstaff is and the offensive weapon the lightsaber is.
A greater difference between the sith and dark jedi might be needed. Since the Sith have never been known for lightsaber technics very much (darth maul being an exception) i think the sith should get more of a mystical and non-combat force type abilities like teleporting or illusions where as the dark jedi should get some "Twisted" lightside abilities "similar to how drain in JO is to heal". Just my 2 cents however.
I give it a 9 out of 10 only cuase i know the next releases will definatly improve on this and be more deserving of a perfect score.
I've updated the base mod on the GCW site to fix that default mat grappling hook error. It only occurs when using the "No Characters" pack, and the update is completely compatible with the old file, so if you plan on using the No Characters pack, you should probably get the update, otherwise it shouldn't be a problem.
Also, the ability to create and add your own character packs should add some variety to the mod. It will be nice when quite a few are submitted, and there's a wide choice of packs to choose from for each player's ideal game.
If you don't download this, you're really missing out.
Other than that, I love it!
Rating: 10 (yay!)
PS: Ober showed it to me...also. heh.
I checked out this mod real quick and did a test run ONLY as a Sith, so I can't attest to the other classes (although I'm assuming the Jedi and Dark Jedi have the same standard saber moves). Anyway, it looks like the saber animations really need to be refined—especially the lightstaff ones. I know it's grueling work, believe me... but once you've perfected them, it brings much more realism to your mod (not to mention a good feeling at having accomplished such a thing). A couple of the standard saber moves look straight out of Art of the Lightsaber (namely the spinning ones), since I recognized the stiffness and wrong-angled saber trails. The right hand really needs to be tweaked in these anims so the trails well... "trail" after the saber on the appropriate plane of blade motion. Speaking of the trails, they look somewhat odd "tacked" onto the blade. I've always liked the alpha gradient effect for the stationary blade from Sith Glow, though. In fact, I would've used it in SBX if I had the JED know-how to make similar saber trails... that would be nice, huh? One other problem is the evasion, in that it's excessively slow. I probably should've made the rolls a bit slower in SBX, but not THIS slow. I imagine that in combat, these rolls would prove semi-efficient at best since an opponent could simply run or jump at you and strike. Also, I forgot to mention that the saber moves in general are rather slow, so they're barely improved from the standard JK moves in terms of speed. To truly achieve "Intricate Lightsaber and Lightstaff combat for exciting duels as well as balanced gameplay", speed really needs to be balanced... unless your ideal of speed is like the Old Ben Kenobi vs. Darth Vader duel :] Hell, JK's standard moves are even slower than that.
Other than that, I agree that it would be a good idea to distinguish the Dark Jedi and Sith more than merely a weapon difference. By the way, why isn't Sidious in the Sith class?! Anyway, perhaps the Sith could have more Dark force ability, while Dark Jedi are more or less "fledgling" Sith with mixed powers or something. On the topic of Force, I noticed that there's more Light side powers than Dark. The loss of Destruction is kinda disappointing, too.
Well, that's all I can think of at the moment. I hope you work more on this mod to make it better! I imagine the soldier, scout, and bounty hunter classes are already good, even though I didn't check 'em out. By the way, that "battle view" camera function is pretty neat. I bet the target lock-on is useful too.
P.S. I didn't give this a rating since I didn't check out everything. What can I say, I'm a Jedi freak!
P.P.S. Do you other guys really think this is "way better" than SBX...? I guess I understand in terms of just RPGs, since there's robe-changing and classes (not to mention jet packs and grappling hooks). I mean, I say this granted that this mod is still in its early stages and needs work, as well as the fact that I'm only concerned with the Jedi fighting part of the mod :] I assume TIE will improve it a bunch in a future release. Anyhow... has anyone ever had a GOOD RPG game? I've joined several only to come across 13-year-old brats breaking every rule the host tries to set and people mouthing off and bickering over what they should do or how they should fight... not to mention countless dishonorable attacks ('physically' and verbally). Needless to say, I never got into the JK RPG scene....
There are two types of Role playing that are the best.
Mostly what you've played is a Twisted version of the First kind, Infested by Little brats with names like "PIMPMASTAPORN_KING92"
The First Type: A single RPG. Not linked to any other stories. All new and fresh characters or old ones you still have. No deep detail needed usally, Quite fun.
The Second Type (What I mostly do):
Practicly intire Sagas and stories, Deep detailed information and backgrounds on every main character, All these sagas Intertwining into one giant story.
For this though, Its good to have Role playing friends your confidant they can act proporly and not do silly crap.
If you'd like a REAL Role Playing Game you contact me, or Saibot for a first type RPG. Since I'm not as experinced in that type as I used to be. As always, GnM On AIM [ AIM SN
Oberfeldwebel@Hotmail.com [ Do not Email. Just for MSN
10523642 [ ICQ.
P.S: If you'd like more information on "Type 2" go to www.i-j-k.tk, Then the JKRPG directory, and Index or Main I belive. The site died but its still a wealth of information.
I've played this mod a bit, and frankly I expected much more. Maybe I need to play it for a bit longer, and I haven't tried either the Jedi or the Dark Jedi classes yet, so I'm not going to rate it until I've played them, but so far, I'd say that there is nothing spectacular.
-Saber throw
-Maybe saber agility rolls for Jedi, not sith though.
-I also had this idea of giving Jango a flame thrower using explosion and deadly sight graphics.
-Also, Jango had a grapple hook, in the movie, it would be cool to see jango being able to grapple someone, fly em up in the air, and drop him back down for falling damage. That sounds like a nice idea to me.
These are just a few ideas of mine. Great job and I hope you continue to make more versions =)
But anyhow, thanks for the comments, ShadowX! I'll certainly take them under advisement for refining the next release.
I wasn't going to, but I guess I may aswell explain myself for some of the things you guys have pointed out. Shadow, mostly, his post was pretty thorough regarding the jedi:
Saber effects, animations, etc: well, you know...I do my best...I was pretty happy with them...
Dodges: I never considered them slow, and I never got any complaints from my beta testers, but like you said, you're used to SBX, maybe these take getting used to also.
Saber speed: Well, first of all, I mean come on; they're faster than normal JK, you know that. Saber speed, though, was something that needed to be comprimised for the sake of that aforementioned "balanced gameplay." I guess I should also note, the single-bladed lightstaff's speed is slower than the normal saber's, maybe that was something not many people noticed. It's not too much slower. But anyway, that needed to be tweaked so Jedi didn't absolutely dominate close-ranged combat.
Dark Jedi and Sith: I'm certainly open to everyone's suggestions on distinguishing these classes, so keep them coming. There aren't, however, fewer dark side powers than light; there's 4/4, as shown on the GCW website.
More gadgets and weapons: Definetly stuff I'm interested in doing for future releases, so again...keep the ideas coming.
Also...I just want ShadowX to know: it is not, and has never been my intention to "beat" other JK mods. Ask anyone who knows me; the farthest thing from my mind is "Jedi Knight editing fame." I know Saber Battle X is a great mod, as do the majority of Jedi Knight players. It's also pretty different from Galactic Civil War. And though I'm humbled to be compared to Saber Battle X, I really hate it when people bash either mod for the sake of the other. There's no politics involved here, it's just a game...you guys don't have to choose sides, play both mods if you like them, please!
On a final note, I guess players should know this mod's major concern was never, and will never be Role Playing...probably because it's not how I like to play. Gameplay was the key, here, folks, and any roleplaying elements were added only as a fun little treats for me to play around with.
Well that's it. Thanks, everyone, for all the helpful comments, but I'd also, again, like to point out that the GCW forums are good places to discuss suggestions...not that I mind them here, or anything.
Thanks again (why not.)
For rpging its pretty great, for anything else it fails to compare to other mods as far as gameplay wise imo.
A great mod imo, but better than Sbx....no, but it certainly could have been with the ideas you've implaced into the mod.
Though i'll have to admit I only played the Jedi, DJ, and BH professions.
Robe toggles and characters and such are a great addition, but this has been done in other mods as well, but it really is a great function.
The number one problem I had, was the lightsabers. Looked great, played like any other mod that wanted great Saber Combat.
I must admit the only mod that I have played with a great Saber style is Saber Battle X, by far my favorite mod, for anything JK. SU came close but not close enough.
Again, the sabers look great, but when I actually started trying to use the saber I was thinking, my god combat will be slow, meaningless and generally slow to be honest. The keys paled in comparison to other mods, but I myself KNOW that is a tedious task.
Lightstaff keys are usually a lot harder than single saber keys obviously, I mean, you didn't do 'omg this sucks' bad.
It's just that when you play other mods with something better, the standard is set. If I had played nothing but JK for years and no mods what so ever, then I would probably be singing a totally different tune.
Single Bladed combat was also dull in my mind.
The guns were great, I especially loved the repeater/concussion bolt combo.
Though I would say the muzzle flashes need work, but were nice enough, I liked the flash for force jump and the muzzle flashes, etc.
I don't think ive talked about evasions....if so, excuse me for the repeat. They were incredibly slow imo, realism is one thing, but that sort of thing doesn't fit to well in JK imo. Far to slow.
I know there are various other issues to be talked about, but I rated this a solid 8.
I truly don't think this dethrones SBX.
I don't think that day will seriously come, but i'll wait.
I just don't think the gameplay was good enough to really show a great amount of 'greatness'.
We have to remember that this is JK, not Counter Strike, not Half Life, not even JO.
What ideas may work great for other games, may not work for JK.
I felt that the things in this mod were for equalized combat, but I don't feel the combat was totally different enough in different types of modes, Jedi for example.
The combat was totally slow for the lightsaber imo, and while I haven't gone against an actual opponent MP wise, I feel that I would be considerably wasted by an opponent with gunning skills.
I don't know, maybe im biased, but I really don't have a reason to be. Maybe i'll play again with someone and totally thing differently, but at the moment im not to sure.
In total, great mod, but when this many ideas go into a mod, no one will expect anything more than greatness.
I didn't even hear anything about this mod until recently LOL, but as soon as I saw the ideas and such, it already felt overhyped in my mind, obviously not in the general public.
Thus me expecting a lot.
Great mod, hope it gets better.
By the Way um...10 (rating)
Sorry if I came off as saying your mod's saber moves are slower than standard JK's, cuz they're not. Paint dries faster than standard JK saber combo completions, unless you consider holding down Fire 2 a combo... LOL. Also, you're probably right about getting used to the roll speed and all. Besides, like I said, I only launched a MP game by myself to check out the mod real quick, so some of that was pure speculation.
As for mod comparison/bashing, it always happens whenever something comes out that's in any way similar to another mod. I've learned to pretty much ignore such baseless statements like, "Mod A kicks Mod B's ass!" Besides, everyone has different tastes and interests. I just wish more people were accepting of this fact of life... not just in the realm of games, but in everything. Perhaps there'd be less fear, hate, and violence. Of course, I'm only dreaming heh... not to mention going off on a tangent. Sorry! :]
Oh yeah, I definitely know what you mean about "not seeking fame". With both Ninja Kage and SBX, I just released them... I didn't bother making a website or promoting them in forums and such. (Didn't make the SBX website until a bit before the final releases since someone offered to design it for me heheh). I always felt that the end quality is what counts, not what promises or pretty web graphics you can make. I've seen countless screenshots of "upcoming" mods and TCs that are still upcoming, and always will be... or won't be, or something.
Cons: The grappling hook is the default .mat.. :-P The muzzle flashes are too flat, they don't go outward (like SS3B9), but instead sideways so that they look paper-thin in the chase camera mode (same thing goes for the lightsaber in first-person mode).
Overall, it's an okay mod, but not as good as SBX, IMHO.. I've never liked SBX that much because of the slashing anim's (JK standard's still my fav); but I must say that I believe they were better than this ones. The saber effects (trails) were, I think, also better in SBX.
There are no descriptions in the gobs. O_o
Most of the guns basically have different coloured muzzle flashes. The only different projectiles that I noticed were #4 and #6. The #2 gun looks awful, even if it's from another mod. The guns were no fun at all.
The saber blades sometimes disappear, whether or not you did it on purpose. The inside view for the saber is screwed up when you're not swinging.
I could not get some hotkeys to work. I tried using Boba Fett in multiplayer, but neither the Jet or Grapple worked.
The "dodge" hotkey looks exactly the same as SBX's evasion hotkey.
The grapple hook's 3do is stolen from somewhere. I've seen it before...
And the default mat? WTF
The RPG element of this mod is basically disabled weapons...
The only good thing that I liked in this mod is the chase camera view.
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A pro isn't someone who sacrifices themselves for a job. That's just a fool.
Reno, Final Fantasy VII
above 1.0? This is one of the truly great
mods, and it is how JK should have been
made in the first place. Just one more
scrap of evidence that most good programs
are made by the customer, not the company :D
You should go work for Lucasarts :P